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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:58:00 -
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It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:Dave stark wrote:it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive. Fairly sure they've stated that industrial ships will not be affected by tiericide. You mean their cargo won't be affected. I'm pretty sure they'll be doing something about how little industrials have the same sig radius as and only marginally better align time than bigger industrials.
To the OP: I think it's less important to note the large gap between Iterons IV and V, and more important to note the lack of gap between III and IV. The IV needs another low slot because without it, it's just a smaller, slower, squishier III with a slightly bigger cargohold. I had Gallente Industrial trained to 4 for a while, and I still flew a Mark III because it honestly seemed superior overall.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:21:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:if youre not flying an itty 5, you should be flying a bestower.
all other T1 haulers are useless. What about a mammoth?
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i'm strangely comfortable with it"
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2012.12.13 09:51:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:issue is it needs industrial 4 for 27k cargo while a bestower needs industrial 1 for 20k.
if youre willing to train an industrial skill to 4, you are most likely willing to train it to 5 for an itty anyway. That's absolutely not true. Training to 4 takes much less time than training to 5.
PS: CCP Ytterbium, I loved your name before all this fuss :)
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i'm strangely comfortable with it"
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2012.12.15 08:49:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:if you're going for racial industrial V it doesn't really matter, from memory (which could be wrong) all of the DSTs hold more than an itty V can. Actually, they all hold less. Assuming minimum skill required to fly the ship, tech 1 cargo rigs, and tech 2 cargo expanders:
Iteron Mk V: 38,433m3 - 100%
Impel: 36,219m3 - 94.2%
Occator: 35,509m3 - 92.4%
Bustard: 30,635m3 - 79.7%
Mastodon: 29,243m3 - 76.1%
Mammoth: 27,129m3 - 70.6%
Bestower: 20,256m3 - 52.7%
Badger Mk II: 19,031m3 - 49.5%
But what I think is more important here is that you can't just buy a DST wherever you happen to be. They're decent for hauling a lot of stuff over a long period of time in one area, but the neat thing about tech 1 industrials is that you can just buy one really quick just about anywhere. Also, the Iteron Mk V is undisputably better for hauling sheer volume than the others because it aligns like a tech 1 industrial, whereas DSTs take about 50% longer to align. In many circumstances, that extra align time could add 15% or more to your travel time. Once you consider that, the Mammoth effectively has more like 32k m3 space in terms of how its hauling capacity compares with the DSTs.
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i'm strangely comfortable with it"
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:30:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Each race has reasons to choose their industrial line over another. except CaldariBugsy VanHalen wrote:If they are teiricided do we expect all indys to get comparable Cargo holds? Do all T2's get a second high slot? Will freighters be balanced out as well? They would have to be as if all the indies were balanced out everyone would train caldari as it would have the best freighter with no benefit to choosing another race for T1 and T2 ships if they were all balanced to be the same. Perhaps one of the biggest problems is that new people rarely understand how cargohold size works by the time they select an industrial. It took me 4 tries to get it right--somehow I picked them in exactly the wrong order. If I had known then what I know now, I would have selected Minmatar industrial and been happy with it. But cargohold size after expanders holds very little correlation to the original cargohold size, especially if you use tech 2 or high meta variants.
Also, Caldari freighters are not the best. I think Amarr is the most common I see, followed by Gallente. But I'm particularly interested in getting a Minmatar freighter. I suspect that the majority of the time I won't want to fill it all the way up, and the extra agility will be more important to me.
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i'm strangely comfortable with it"
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